[mb-style] No mean (feat.)
chris at whenironsattack.com
Mon May 30 10:31:20 UTC 2005
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From: "Alexander Dupuy" <dupuy at cs.columbia.edu>
To: "MusicBrainz style discussion" <musicbrainz-style at musicbrainz.org>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: [mb-style] No mean (feat.)
>> well presumably the title would be Gorillaz (feat. Shaun Ryder) :)
> I would hope that the default case would be for the title to be "DARE" and
> *artist* will be "Gorillaz (feat. Shaun Ryder)" - you were maybe thinking
> already without realizing it, since you used the artist name from the
> rather than the track title...
sorry, yes, I meant it would be titled by the tagger as 'Gorillaz - DARE
(feat. Shaun Ryder)
>> the thing is, (i imagine) feat. came about to add consistency to a lot of
>> tracks which are actually named (on the printed tracklisting) 'SongX
>> (featuring ArtistY)'. since then, we have the situation where users are
>> adding feat. artists if they feel it is useful info, which to be fair it
>> usually is.
> In most cases, what is printed on the liner notes etc. has the featured
> listed with the artist rather than the title; MusicBrainz has
> moved this information to the track title to avoid creating a million
> artist entries, but this is actually rather unusual, and is often
> confusing to
> new MB users (it's only MB junkies who have come to consider this "normal"
Hmm, that depends. If the (feat. x) is global to that release, then yes I'd
agree. But if it's just for one track on an album, absolutely not! That
would be a complete nightmare to work with in most MP3 software today.
hardly anything is 'playlist' based anymore - tis all done on media librarys
where you navigate (normally) to the artist you're after, then play from
there - difficult if the artist is split up into a million (feat. x)
>> personally, i'd prefer (feat. x) info to appear in the actual title field
>> the file ONLY if it appears on the printed tracklisting
> Once the tagger can generate this information automatically from AR links,
> can, and should, eliminate (feat. X) from *all* titles and artist names.
Yeah, when I say file, I mean the mp3 file, post tagging. What MBz shows
should just be the artist/track name, then all the AR data in...whatever
format that's going to eventually get displayed as (the discogs way,
>> however that's probably something best left to user preference - eg check
>> boxes in tagger options - 'append guest artists to track name'
> I guess that some people might want that as an option, but the default
> should be 'append guest artists to artist name', with another option to
> leave the artist and track title as-is.
I disagree. Again, for global (feat. x) credits, yeah sure, stick it in the
artist. but for one offs in the middle of the album, nope! I guess it could
be appended to artist in the case of a compilation appearence too, as for
that you're going to be looking for the album rather than the artist, in
your mp3 software of choice.
^ That IMO should be the default behaviour.
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