[mb-style] Is french silly? :p (French capitalization rules)

[azertus]

Mangled schreef:
>>
>> Except there are only 150 albums marked as Latin and over 5000 as French.
>> The capitalisation of French titles is already a big problem. It seems to
>> be a roughly half and half split between sentence and English, so why 
>> would
>> we choose a system that the *vast* majority of people don't use? It seems
> 
> The vast majority of people use guess case and are not even aware
> french has a different system.
> 
>> to me that hardly anyone expects titles to be capitalised as they are, 
>> and
>> when you also consider that MusicBrainz has a constant flow of new 
>> people,
>> it's much easier all round to use one of the capitalisation systems 
>> people
>> expect. It's easier to teach 50% of people to use sentence case and fix
>> 2500 albums than it is to teach 99% of people to use the current French
>> guidelines and fix 5000 albums.
> 
> *sigh*
> Stressing it again: any native french can understand the rules I sumed
> up in two lines.
> They present difficulties to non-natives, true, but to natives, there
> is hardly any teaching required.
> 
>>
>> But the situation is completely different. Japanese non-standardness is
>> widely supported by people who listen to Japanese music and they tend to
>> defend it fiercely. There is no consensus about the French guidelines and
>> even many French people themselves aren't using our current ones. How are
>> we supposed to get people to use the guidelines when even people who are
>> native speakers aren't even using them? The burden of keeping 5000 and
>> growing albums in order will be on a just few people, that just won't 
>> work.
> 
> No time for hypocrisy: MB stays organised thanks to the work of a
> handfull of people (most of them are autoeditors), who are constantly
> doing cleanup / documentation work.
> Add-albums (hitting my subscriptions) 90% of the time require 1-10
> more edits before looking good to me. This is not different.
> 
> And yes, in order to know all the styleguidelines, you have to read a
> lot of stuff, and some are not completely trivial.
> 
> And I'm a native speaker, and I use the french s.g., don't I?
> 
> 
> And ho, btw, azertus, what about speaking up? :D

I really didn't have the energy for such a long, little bit heated, 
discussion right now.

I will suggest *a compromise* though...

The CapitalizationStandardFrench used to say (and probably still says in 
the English part) that the exceptions _may_ be used. This statement is 
to be reinserted/kept. (possibly the page is a bit rewritten to look 
less daunting)

We then only have to agree not to change track titles back from the most 
elegant form (:p, couldn't resist it) to the simpler form.

Would it be unreasonable to request that the titles formatted using the 
exceptions are left alone? The argument being a lot more thought went 
into them?

PS: Perhaps using TaggerScript, capitalized titles could be simplified? 
<<If followed by L', Le or La, decapitalize the 2nd [and 3rd ]word?>>

azertus