[mb-style] Cantata and movement names names: where ?

[MLL]

Leiv Hellebø wrote :
> Ludovic d'Anchald wrote:
>> Hello, it's me again with another question:
>>
>> While I'm on CSG, I suggest providing a precise example for tracks 
>> that are
>> part of cantatas. Bothe the cantata and the track often have "names"
>> (generally the beginning of the text).
> 
> Great. I missed this when I started out adding cantatas.
> 
>> Example: in
>>
>> 'Cantata, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": X. Choral "Jesus
>> bleibet meine Freude"'
>>
> 
> This looks neat to me. I have added a lot with the BWV and name part 
> reversed, but unless there are good reasons for it, I think I prefer 
> yours. Here's how mine would have looked:
> 
> 'Cantata "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben", BWV 147: X. Choral "Jesus 
> bleibet meine Freude"'

This looks fine also, but as one said, it's not as convenient if you 
want to sort by BWV. Moreover, the trend on CSG examples is: "name after 
work #", like in "Piano Concerto No. 5 "Emperor""

> 
> NOTE 1: For opera we don't quote the opera and aria names, and I would 
> like it very much if we could drop them for cantatas as well.

I think this should not be mandatory anyway, and this is another 
argument for "name after work number", because then "Cantata, BWV 147 
"Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben"" and "Cantata, BWV 147" fit the same 
search pattern.

> 
> NOTE 2: A few Bach cantatas has parts. Here's one track I added for
> 
> http://musicbrainz.org/album/1780c3a3-4913-4f05-921a-2b100f4b1d1e.html
> 
> 'Cantata "Wer Dank opfert, der preiset mich", BWV 17, Part II: V. Aria 
> (Tenor) "Welch Übermaß der Güte"'
> 
> The placement of the colon in the BWV 17 is not to my liking. I would 
> prefer it if MB used the colon as delimiter between 
> "WorkPartName:PiecePartName". But this is not done for operas and 
> cantatas :(

I'd have labelled it

"Cantata, BWV 17 "Wer Dank opfert, der preiset mich": II.V. Aria (Tenor) 
"Welch Übermaß der Güte""

or

"Cantata, BWV 17 "Wer Dank opfert, der preiset mich": Part II.V. Aria 
(Tenor) "Welch Übermaß der Güte""

or other incarnations like "II-V.", "Part II-V.",...


Note the fact that Part II is after the colon.

> 
> NOTE 3: I included voice indication in parentheses (example above). In a 
> relatively recent thread on mb-users on something else, someone pointed 
> out that he wouldn't have included it, but then again, he didn't mind.)

I consider this a plus if it's there, I like the way you did it (fits 
general habit, and suits both versions with or without the movement "name".

> 
>> My point is, CSG is precise about the first part (says 'Piano Sonata 
>> No. 23
>> in F minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"') but we should provide one more 
>> example
>> like the one I just gave. One better example would be a complex one 
>> with a
>> name and an italian tempo marking, so feel free to suggest.
>>
> 
> Tempi are not included for opera parts, and I don't think I've seen a 
> cantata sleeve with them. If you can give a nice-looking example, I 
> won't have a problem with it.

Heh, the reason of this very request is that I never encounted one. :)

MLL