[mb-style] RFC: Transl(iteration-ation) AR (Resurrection).

[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2006/10/16, Chris Bransden <chris at whenironsattack.com>:
> On 16/10/06, Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2006/10/16, Chris Bransden <chris at whenironsattack.com>:
> > > On 16/10/06, Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 2006/10/16, Chris Bransden <chris at whenironsattack.com>:
> > > > > On 13/10/06, Kerensky97 <kerensky97 at xterra101.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have the basic wiki entry for the AR written, it's just a first draft to
> > > > > > get the basic idea and structure of the AR untill specific wording is worked
> > > > > > out.
> > > > > > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/TranslationTransliterationRelationshipType#preview
> > > > > > Translation/Transliteration Relationship Type
> > > > >
> > > > > i changed:
> > > > > "Not all translations and transliterations will be off the official CD
> > > > > or the artist's official site.  The ReleaseStatus should be changed to
> > > > > reflect if the transl(iter)ation is ''Official'' if from an official
> > > > > source, or ''Alternate Release'' if fan or editor made.  Full
> > > > > definitions of release status are available at the ReleaseAttribute
> > > > > wiki page."
> > > > > to
> > > > > "Not all translations and transliterations will be off an official
> > > > > source (eg, in the case of a physical release, the cover tracklisting,
> > > > > or in the case of a download, the tracklist from the official site).
> > > > > The ReleaseStatus should be changed to reflect if the
> > > > > transl(iter)ation is ''Official'' if from an official source, or
> > > > > ''Alternate Release'' if fan or editor made.  Full definitions of
> > > > > release status are available at the ReleaseAttribute wiki page."
> > > > >
> > > > > just to make sure people don't add new 'official' releases is an
> > > > > official site has a transl(iter)ation of a tracklisting, but this is
> > > > > not available to buy in any form.
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand this... Could we make a list of the ReleaseTypes
> > > > and the ReleaseStatus values which would be accepted for the new AR?
> > > > And give for each combination what it would mean?
> > >
> > > A: Original Release (eg, http://www.discogs.com/release/656463)
> > > ReleaseType: Official
> > >
> > > B: Released in another language (eg, http://www.discogs.com/release/683846)
> > > ReleaseType: Official
> > >
> > > AR between the A and B: A is the original language track listing of release B
> > >
> > > C: Fan-translated to german
> > > ReleaseType: Alternate
> > >
> > > AR between A and C: A is the original language track listing of release B
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > > what i'm saying is that even if Boris put up a tracklisting
> > > translation to german on their official website, it would still be an
> > > 'alternate' release as it doesn't physically exist. the JP and US
> > > versions were pressed and sold.
> >
> > Ok, I am still following you. I misread your post, I thought you meant
> > something else, but still, my mistake could bring something
> > interesting.
> >
> > Your post spoke about ReleaseAttribute. And it made me think about the
> > ReleaseStatus. Should we do something about it? Would it have any
> > meaning if the ReleaseStatus of C was set to a different value from A?
> > I can't see how...
>
> Ok, we (i include myself!) seem to be talking about a lot of different
> Wikinames, but to clarify, the only thing that is involved in this
> discussion (aside from the AR) is the "Release Status" as per
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReleaseAttribute
>
> back to the question - you can't give C a release type of 'official'
> as there is no official release with that tracklisting. a discography
> with C in it as an official release would be incorrect.
>
> also, by making the definition, you allow these 'alternate' release to
> be acknowledged as 'special' releases, which could allow for:
> - removal of unnecasary functionality on those albums (eg, CD-IDs,
> label support (once we have that), release dates, etc.
> - hiding of 'alternate' releases from the artist page, should the user
> not wish to see them (ie, it's gonna become quite cluttered if a lot
> of people enter non-official translations to different languages)
> - more??

Well, if you'll re-read your own mails, you'll see you used the words
"release type" (instead of "release status"?). So we both got mixed
up. But no problelm, I can reformulate my question accordingly :-)

We have been speaking of the release status. Fine. What about the
release type, then. What would mean A = Album and C = Compilation?

In other words, we have been speaking of one of the parts of the
ReleaseAttribute. What about the orther part? I believe both parts are
as important, and I wish we'd explore the implications here.

-- 
Frederic Da Vitoria