[mb-style] Classical releases titles should be sleeves' title orreflect the whole content of release ?

[mll]

As we all agree, maybe some CSG wizard should put this there ? 

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> Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:54 PM
> To: autodave at davesmey.com; MusicBrainz style discussion
> Subject: Re: [mb-style] Classical releases titles should be 
> sleeves' title orreflect the whole content of release ?
> 
> 2006/10/20, Dave Smey <autodave at davesmey.com>:
> > On Fri, October 20, 2006 2:23 pm, mll said:
> >
> > > Frenquently, while a classical CD bears several works, 
> only one is 
> > > featured on the sleeve.
> > >
> > > Example: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000027O4P 
> whose sleeve 
> > > only mentions Bach's magnificat while ther's also a cantate in it.
> > >
> > > So what should the title be, 1) "J.S. Bach: Magnificat" 
> as per the 
> > > sleeve, or something like 2) "Magnificat BWV 243 / 
> Cantate BWV 80" ?
> > >
> > > My take would be that, often a release may bear different sleeves 
> > > with different titles according to the country where it's 
> released, 
> > > or the date of re-release, so I think choice 2 is better.
> > >
> > I'd go with #2 also.  I'd make the fairly extreme argument that 
> > "Classical releases often don't have real titles."  There 
> is a bit in 
> > the wiki somewhere that acknowledges that the title is basically an 
> > inventory of the pieces.
> >
> > Things I've observed that suggest this:
> >
> > Sometimes, in an effort to find the "real" title, you see that the 
> > spine and the cover don't match at all.
> >
> > Labels sometimes can't be bothered to match their cover 
> design to the 
> > metadata on their website / digital release.  BIS is 
> particularly bad 
> > about this - sometimes they will release a recital which 
> seems to have 
> > a special title (like Alexei Lubimov (pianist): "Pourquoi 
> je suis si 
> > sentimental" on the cover) and then call it a completely different 
> > thing online ("Post-War Avant-Garde Piano Music.")  But that could 
> > just be attributed to industry sloppiness.
> >
> > So #2 can be considered better for practical reasons 
> because it alerts 
> > you to the presence of that Cantata, in case you are looking for it.
> >
> > And, if I can be so bold as to suggest "how Classical buyers think" 
> > once again, people mostly don't remember these generic classical 
> > titles or search for them.  At least I don't - I look for "the 
> > recording with (blah
> > person) playing (blah piece) on (blah label.)"  If I'm 
> doing an album 
> > title seach, it is just in the hopes that the piece I want 
> is in the 
> > album title.
> >
> > -DS
> 
> I agree. Maybe, when the second work is "less important" (an 
> overture on a symphony release), I tend to forget the "minor" 
> work. But if someone sees it as important as the bigger work 
> and wants to include it in the release title, I can't see how 
> I could object anything.
> 
> --
> Frederic Da Vitoria
> 
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