[mb-style] Re: Re: [Clean up CSG] Capitalization (and placement)

[Aaron Cooper]

On 29-Jan-08, at 9:55 AM, Lauri Watts wrote:

> On Jan 29, 2008 2:49 PM, Brian Schweitzer
> <brian.brianschweitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> The CSG is already terrifying.  I do not see this particular change
>>> improving that situation, and it doesn't make sense to me, and I do
>>> understand now that you completely fail to see my point, so I'll  
>>> just
>>> let it go.
>>
>> Quite honestly, you keep saying this or that change to CSG makes it
>> scarier or more difficult, but I'm still waiting to hear how you  
>> would
>> do it.  Why, unlike all other music we list, should typography be
>> limited to latin-128, *especially* if there's a huge built in "if
>> we've not yet made a master list you can just copy/paste over, you  
>> can
>> still use generic typography" exception?
>
>>> If you're entire point is that you don't have to use the em-dash
>>> notation if the works list is complete, then you could have just  
>>> said
>>> so.  I still disagree with it, but you've already lost me past  
>>> caring
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Please, Lauri, read what I'm saying before you paraphrase me.  This  
>> is
>> now the second time you've misquoted me on this.
>
> Funny you object to that, when you're so fast to do it yourself.  I
> didn't misquote you,
> because that was not a quote. I was repeating what I understood you to
> be saying.
> But fair cop, I typed 'use' when I meant 'type'.
>
> Meanwhile, find one place I have ever said to limit things to latin
> script.  You won't,
> because I said no such thing, and didn't even ask for it, nor do I  
> wish it.
> Nor do I keep saying 'this or that' change makes it harder. I am
> saying this one, specific,
> discrete, single change, is nuts. Just this one.
>
> How simply can I put it?
>
> Just because you, personally, cannot type the letter ä without cutting
> and pasting it,
> doesn't mean it makes sense to require a character that NOBODY
> anywhere can type at all.
>
> Just because you think it's fine to cut and paste single characters
> into titles, doesn't
> mean it makes sense, is easy to use, and won't put off other people
> from helping out, when
> the learning curve there is already difficult.
>
> -- 
> Lauri "clearly I have trouble letting go" Watts

I find myself skipping over these emails rather quickly when heated  
debates like this build up.  I have no idea where this argument is  
going but perhaps we should all take a step back, relax, and ask  
ourselves if this is really helping us get anywhere.

I will say that I (a post-secondary student and native English speaker  
who considers himself to have a fairly strong grasp of the English  
language) have *no* idea which dash/hyphen to use in classical  
titles.  I would venture that casual classical listeners also will not  
be able to tell the difference between the various hyphens/dashes.  If  
we want to require a specific hyphen then that's fine by me if a) it's  
not hard to educate people (ie, always use this one in classical  
titles: –) or if we have people who do know how they work and are  
ready to correct them.

-Aaron (cooperaa)