[mb-style] RFC: Wording change on BonusDisc (was: [mb-users] Bonus discs: "Official" or "Promotion"?)

[Paul C. Bryan]

+1 on the change being proposed; the discussion thread is a bit iffy for
me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Morrison <mikemorr at umich.edu>
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Subject: [mb-style] RFC: Wording change on BonusDisc (was: [mb-users]
Bonus discs: "Official" or "Promotion"?)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:19:40 -0400 (EDT)

This RFC proposes to change "ReleaseAttribute" to "ReleaseType" and 
"attribute" to "type" in the sentence:

"Also note that the ReleaseAttribute of bonus discs are not necessarily 
the same as the release they were distributed with. Use the attribute 
correct for the bonus disc on its own."

on the page:

http://musicbrainz.org/doc/BonusDisc

Reasoning: See the thread quoted below; the most recent message in it is:

http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2008-July/018118.html

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Mark Trolley wrote:
> That's what I thought as well, and that's how I added it. Thanks :)
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Chris B <chris at whenironsattack.com> wrote:
>
>> ReleaseAttribute was meant to be ReleaseType. I don't know why i
>> didn't spot that when i added that to BonusDisc and now it would need
>> a new RFC to change, probably :/
>>
>> I would say the ReleaseStatus must always be the same for the entire
>> release - only the ReleaseType can vary (eg when you get a bonus disc
>> that is an EP, when the primary release is an album). ReleaseStatus is
>> how the package is sold, and ReleaseType is what it *is*. They are
>> sold as part of the same package, but what they are can (and usually
>> does!) vary.
>>
>> that's my take, anyway!
>>
>> 2008/7/1 Mark Trolley <marktrolley at gmail.com>:
>>> I just noticed some other people were having the same discussion on
>>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ReleaseStatus, but I also see that according
>> to
>>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/BonusDisc:
>>>
>>> "Also note that the ReleaseAttribute of bonus discs are not necessarily
>> the
>>> same as the release they were distributed with. Use the attribute correct
>>> for the bonus disc on its own."
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg at gmail.com
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although technically MB Releases are discs, I feel that a real-world
>>>> release is virtually made of the individual discs (what MB calls
>>>> Releases, are you still following me?) so that the ReleaseStatus
>>>> should stay the same on all the Releases of a release. By now, you
>>>> should be completely lost :-D
>>>>
>>>> If by any chance you caught my meaning, be warned: This is only my
>>>> point of view, I may be completely wrong!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Mark Trolley <marktrolley at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "etc." leaves it a bit open for interpretation though. I went with
>>>>> Official
>>>>> after all, the more I thought about it the more I felt that was right.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria
>>>>> <davitofrg at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Mark Trolley <marktrolley at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Should a bonus disc included with an album (or in the case of the
>> one
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> looking at now the deluxe release of an album) be considered an
>>>>>>> "Official"
>>>>>>> EP or a "Promotion" EP? I have entered them before as "Official"
>> but
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> sure if that's right now since they are not available on their own,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> only be obtained by buying the album they come with. With the
>> release
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> looking at now, the deluxe edition of Agony & Irony by Alkaline
>> Trio
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> feels like I should be using "Promotion" since it's being used as a
>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>>> tool to get you to buy the deluxe edition instead of the regular
>>>>>>> edition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ReleaseStatus :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A give-away release or a release intended to promote an upcoming
>>>>>> official release. (e.g. pre-release versions or releases included
>> with
>>>>>> a magazine, versions supplied to radio DJs for air-play, etc)."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think bonus disks would fit the definition!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Frederic Da Vitoria
>>>>
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