[mb-style] RFC: Wording change on BonusDisc (was: [mb-users] Bonus discs: "Official" or "Promotion"?)

[Frederic Da Vitoria]

To be fair, the thread discusses a separate issue too, so although it
triggered this RFC, it is not completely relevant IMO. I'll start a
new thread for this other issue.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Paul C. Bryan <email at pbryan.net> wrote:
> +1 on the change being proposed; the discussion thread is a bit iffy for
> me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Morrison <mikemorr at umich.edu>
> Reply-To: MusicBrainz style discussion
> <musicbrainz-style at lists.musicbrainz.org>
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> Subject: [mb-style] RFC: Wording change on BonusDisc (was: [mb-users]
> Bonus discs: "Official" or "Promotion"?)
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
>
> This RFC proposes to change "ReleaseAttribute" to "ReleaseType" and
> "attribute" to "type" in the sentence:
>
> "Also note that the ReleaseAttribute of bonus discs are not necessarily
> the same as the release they were distributed with. Use the attribute
> correct for the bonus disc on its own."
>
> on the page:
>
> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/BonusDisc
>
> Reasoning: See the thread quoted below; the most recent message in it is:
>
> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2008-July/018118.html
>
> -------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Mark Trolley wrote:
>> That's what I thought as well, and that's how I added it. Thanks :)
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Chris B <chris at whenironsattack.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ReleaseAttribute was meant to be ReleaseType. I don't know why i
>>> didn't spot that when i added that to BonusDisc and now it would need
>>> a new RFC to change, probably :/
>>>
>>> I would say the ReleaseStatus must always be the same for the entire
>>> release - only the ReleaseType can vary (eg when you get a bonus disc
>>> that is an EP, when the primary release is an album). ReleaseStatus is
>>> how the package is sold, and ReleaseType is what it *is*. They are
>>> sold as part of the same package, but what they are can (and usually
>>> does!) vary.
>>>
>>> that's my take, anyway!
>>>
>>> 2008/7/1 Mark Trolley <marktrolley at gmail.com>:
>>>> I just noticed some other people were having the same discussion on
>>>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ReleaseStatus, but I also see that according
>>> to
>>>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/BonusDisc:
>>>>
>>>> "Also note that the ReleaseAttribute of bonus discs are not necessarily
>>> the
>>>> same as the release they were distributed with. Use the attribute correct
>>>> for the bonus disc on its own."
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Although technically MB Releases are discs, I feel that a real-world
>>>>> release is virtually made of the individual discs (what MB calls
>>>>> Releases, are you still following me?) so that the ReleaseStatus
>>>>> should stay the same on all the Releases of a release. By now, you
>>>>> should be completely lost :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> If by any chance you caught my meaning, be warned: This is only my
>>>>> point of view, I may be completely wrong!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Mark Trolley <marktrolley at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "etc." leaves it a bit open for interpretation though. I went with
>>>>>> Official
>>>>>> after all, the more I thought about it the more I felt that was right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria
>>>>>> <davitofrg at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Mark Trolley <marktrolley at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Should a bonus disc included with an album (or in the case of the
>>> one
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> looking at now the deluxe release of an album) be considered an
>>>>>>>> "Official"
>>>>>>>> EP or a "Promotion" EP? I have entered them before as "Official"
>>> but
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> sure if that's right now since they are not available on their own,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> only be obtained by buying the album they come with. With the
>>> release
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> looking at now, the deluxe edition of Agony & Irony by Alkaline
>>> Trio
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> feels like I should be using "Promotion" since it's being used as a
>>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>>>> tool to get you to buy the deluxe edition instead of the regular
>>>>>>>> edition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ReleaseStatus :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A give-away release or a release intended to promote an upcoming
>>>>>>> official release. (e.g. pre-release versions or releases included
>>> with
>>>>>>> a magazine, versions supplied to radio DJs for air-play, etc)."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think bonus disks would fit the definition!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Frederic Da Vitoria
>>>>>
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