[mb-style] Bach passions and CSG

[Leiv Hellebo]

symphonick wrote:
> Like worktitles in CSG but as it is written on the cover (my
> interpretation). 

I'm guessing a Post-NGS CSG will be as hard to do right - i.e. useful 
and easy to follow - as the one we currently have. If this is right, 
then IMO it's reasonable to have the cover be the last appeal ground for 
how votes should fall in edit wars.

This is not the same as saying that we should not maintain a CSG of 
common favored practices: "No.1" -> "No. 1", "E flat" "E-flat", "Recit" 
-> "Recitativo", "Correct obvious typos when there is no ArtistIntent" etc.

This would of course mean that some releases won't
> have "BWV 244"...?

You shouldn't need it if you can go to the work for SMP and see which 
tracks/releases are linked to it.

The booklet for Dunedin Consort's Messiah does not include "HWV 56".
(And, ehhhh, I did it like I did their (S)MP: 
http://musicbrainz.org/release/94acb853-cf87-4def-817f-8d1e75eca14c.html)

(BTW, two thirds of the other MB Messiahs do not have HWV 56 included 
either, and of the six that do, only one had it added to tracks before 
the summer of 2007.)


> The only real showstopper for me so far for this system is if we have
> to create a new "work" every time a work is split in more than one
> track (4th mvt of Beethoven's 9 and similar) . Sounds like a big mess
> to me. (& then there's this problem with identical releases in
> different languages and/or different packaging & how to deal with that
> without turning into discogs...)
> 

There's also the problem of variant versions: As more and more works get 
multiple interpretations, the market gets packed, and performers/labels 
seek to differentiate their offerings from the others. You can see this 
by the way they're increasingly looking to recreate special performances 
of some work. (Like the Dunedin's Messiah.)


>> For Bach cantatas it is perhaps possible to shorten it more, as the
>> religious ones are titled after the first text line:
>>
>> BWV 172, I. Coro: Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten!
> 
> I've actually been thinking about something like this for
> CSGStandard/JSBach, since apparently Bach didn't name these works
> "cantatas" (AFAIK)

And I thought "Cantata" from CantataStyle should be used first in case 
there were no proper name for the cantata...

(If we're gonna loosen up the CantataStyle after NGS, then if you have a 
Bach CD with one cantata and some instrumental work, it might be a good 
idea to use "Cantata" at least in the first track of it.)

> 
>> Personally I have until recently added voice indications to recitatives
>> and arias, but this is better done with ARs IMO.
> 
> I like ARs too, but currently there's no way of preserving the
> original voice, if say a bass aria is sung by a baryton. 

Do you need that in the track title too?

I guess this
> won't be a problem when NGS is in function?
> 

It sounds as this won't be a problem ;)


Leiv