[mb-style] [CSG] Short form CSG (was Re: Bach passions and CSG)

[Frederic Da Vitoria]

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Brian Schweitzer <
brian.brianschweitzer at gmail.com> wrote:

> While we're discussing what guidelines for tracks to use, let me toss
> out one other possiblity, something I know I've seen at least a few
> dozen times...  What about misidentified works?  Not typos, not simply
> "correct work but not enough to really ID it", but true
> misidentifications?
>
> Just an example, I forget the exact work of which disc it is, but
> there's one disc of the Philips Complete Mozart set which has 19
> tracks.  Each track is a minuet and/or minuet & trio.  It's already
> kind of a confused work, as there's piano and orchestral versions of
> 12 of the minuet & trios, 3 are varyingly considered to be separate
> minuets (depending on if you're looking at K1, K2, K3, K6, or NMA) or
> trios to other minuets which that work's set.  K1 - K3 had 12 minuets
> and didn't list some of them (outside of the notes).  K6 listed those
> 12, plus added numbers to 7 more combinations (taking the others out
> of the notes), specifying one combination.  The NMA went with a
> different set of combinations, and lists that work as having 20
> minuets / minuets & trios.  Today, any recording (it's rarely
> recorded) uses the NMA numbers.  The Brilliant classics recording uses
> the NMA numbers.  Every other modern recording uses the NMA numbers.
> Yet the Philips disc numbers only 19 works - yet the 19 they number
> don't correspond to *any* other catalog; not the 19 in K6, nor the 12
> in K1-K3.  Philips essentially mixed up the minuet numbers, moved a
> trio from one minuet to a different minuet, then renumbered the whole
> thing - and worse, they do it without any indication that they're
> using anything other than standard work numberings.
>
> So, if you have "Minuet & Trio No. 17 in D major, K999" on the CD,
> it's not actually No. 17 according to any catalog.  We can link it to
> the correct listing in the work list, but should we also correct the
> work numbering in the track list, to indicate the correct work number?
>
> This is somewhat a complex example, I know - on the Mozart forums,
> just this mixup tends to be often brought up as people are confused
> trying to figure just what works are actually in what order on that
> CD.
>
> A clearer example would be, say, a CD liner listing Mozart's Requiem
> in D major as K. 262, instead of K. 626, or labeling Symphony 30 as
> the "Jupiter" symphony.  Where do we draw the line and leave it as it
> is, vs considering it either a typo or erronious data?  If it's a
> typo, I think we'd all agree to fix it on the track listing.  If it's
> plain erronious data, though, do we fix it, or leave the link to the
> correct work to be the 'proper' work identification?
>
> (It's not just this work, either - There's at least one other disc in
> that same Philips set, one of the Theater music discs, which also
> misidentifies the work numbers and keys for all of the movements
> within the work; and it's not just within that set that I've seen with
> purely erronious data on a liner).
>
> Also, related, but different: How about mis-identified composers on
> labels - especially for older releases?  This I see often with Anh /
> WoO works, where it was once thought to be a Bach / W.A. Mozart /
> Beethoven / etc work, but later is 'determined' to be a spurious work;
> if the liner says it was W.A. Mozart, but later research decided that
> it was actually Leopold Mozart, or whoever (see WAM's symphony #s 2
> and 3 for good examples of this), do we stick with the principle of
> recording the liner as closely as possible, and assign WAM as the
> artist, leaving the composer AR and the work list link to "fix" the
> data, or do we ignore the liner and assign the correct composer as the
> artist?  (I just entered a Vivaldi release last night, actually, which
> had just this, for RV Anh 23, assigning it to Vivaldi, even though the
> correct composer was Giovanni Maria Ruggieri).
>

Actually, this could happen in any kind of music. I am even sure it already
has (I am thinking of budget semi-legal compilations I saw in some of my
travels). So maybe we should include somewhere a flag saying that the
printed track title is wrong. Or an AdvancedProperty?

-- 
Frederic Da Vitoria
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