[mb-style] Pre-RFC: The Advanced Vocal Tree proposal
leiv.hellebo at gmail.com
Sat Apr 10 06:47:01 UTC 2010
Brian Schweitzer wrote:
> So, before the 'non-debated' part of the tree proposal goes out, would
> anyone debate any of the tree as it would now be proposed
Just a note that I agree with SwissChris that the current classical
vocal types are enough.
de.wp.org/wiki/Stimmfach shows it's a mess, and I don't think we should
get into it.
Although I don't have access to my CD collection, I am pretty sure I
have never seen lyric coloratura soprano or the others in the main
credit section(s) of booklets/sleeves. This I have confirmed by
downloading and checking booklets from the British specialist labels
Chandos and Hyperion.
When it comes to lyric coloratura soprano or others in scores, I don't
think you'll find them, because I think they have been assigned after
the fact by opera houses (it is a convenience, according to
en.wp.org/Fach). Which composer would risk limiting roles as credited on
the title page to just a narrow subdivision of soprano? (OTOH, notice
how much "Lieder for voice" is used, or the description of Das Lied von
der Erde: "Eine Symphonie für eine Tenor- und eine Alt- (oder Bariton-)
Stimme und Orchester")
To get a feel for how this would be to enter for Joe MBUser, I bought
this release (which is very much a work in progress, it's from
passionato.com so I don't have the booklet):
Janet Baker is classified as a coloratura mezzo here:
and a lyrical mezzo here:
(I think the second is correct. Note that the description of this voice
says: "many lyric mezzos with strong extensions to their upper vocal
registers make the transition to singing as sopranos")
On my release, she is credited for being a mezzo, but she sings stuff
mostly sung by altos - notably Brahm's Alto Rhapsody, and she sings some
Wagner and Strauss that usually is sung by sopranos. The review at
says she was "in the beginning [...] classified as a contralto"
I have different recordings of both the Alto Rhapsody and the Strauss
stuff, and, this is not transposed.
en.wp.org says "The Fach system is a convenience for singers and opera
houses". de.wp.org says it is rather more in Germany, as a singer of one
Fach may go to some civil court if s/he is made to sing roles from
another Fach (this must be a simplified description).
To Joe Voter at MB it will remain just a mess if we were to include it.
Leiv / leivhe
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