[mb-style] RFV-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performance Relationship Type

Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosarevok at gmail.com
Tue Jul 5 14:32:12 UTC 2011


Yin, I kinda agree, and that is why I gave the RFC a second week
asking for anyone to comment / help with the wording. And nobody did
:(
Still, better late than never, I guess. Please discuss the wording :)

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Yin Izanami <yindesu at gmail.com> wrote:
> I did read the guildeline, but it is unhelpful and confusing in a different
> area than you've pointed out.
>
> "Do not use the instrumental attribute for karaoke recordings, see Karaoke
> Version Relationship Type instead."
>
> That statement doesn't even begin to lead an editor to the answer of why the
> instrumental attribute shouldn't be used to relate a karaoke recording to a
> work.  The part after the comma needs to be clarified - Why is a guideline
> about Work-Recording relationships telling you to see/use a guideline about
> Recording-Recording relationships instead?
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Calvin Walton <calvin.walton at kepstin.ca>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 17:17 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Calvin Walton <calvin.walton at kepstin.ca>
>> > wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 10:12 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
>> > >> The proposal:
>> > >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute
>> > >
>> > > “instrumental”
>> > >        This indicates that the recording is of an instrumental
>> > >        arrangement of a work which originally included vocals.
>> > >
>> > > Hopefully, the mention that it would have to be a new arrangement
>> > > should
>> > > be enough to clarify things. (It also clarifies the case of a
>> > > performance of a work which was originally instrumental, which was a
>> > > little ambiguous previously.)
>> >
>> > heh. Hip hop songs are normally recorded as two tracks, the
>> > instrumental (beat) and the vocal, which are later mixed. So their
>> > instrumental versions are not new arrangements: they're just one of
>> > the two tracks without the other…
>>
>> Huh. This is actually surprisingly similar to modern pop song karaoke
>> versions, just with a different emphasis. Most modern karaoke tracks are
>> made during mixing by simply not including the lead vocal track, leaving
>> behind only the backing instrumental portion. Instead of a composition
>> of a backing beat + vocals like the hip hop songs, it’s more of a
>> decomposition of a complete song into the backing (and sometimes, but
>> rarely) vocal tracks.
>>
>> --
>> Calvin Walton <calvin.walton at kepstin.ca>
>>
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