[mb-style] RFV-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performance Relationship Type

[Yin Izanami]

If the Instrumental attribute for a Recording-Work is supposed to exclude
the "Lyrics written by" relationship from showing up on that instrumental
recording, then I have no problem with the use of this new attribute.

What I don't understand is why a mention to "Karaoke Version" relationship
is there at all.  That Recording-Recording relationship can't be used with
Works, so why is it mentioned?  What is an editor supposed to learn from
that page as related to the Instrumental attribute of a Recording-to-Work?
2011/7/5 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <reosarevok at gmail.com>

> Yin, I kinda agree, and that is why I gave the RFC a second week
> asking for anyone to comment / help with the wording. And nobody did
> :(
> Still, better late than never, I guess. Please discuss the wording :)
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Yin Izanami <yindesu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I did read the guildeline, but it is unhelpful and confusing in a
> different
> > area than you've pointed out.
> >
> > "Do not use the instrumental attribute for karaoke recordings, see
> Karaoke
> > Version Relationship Type instead."
> >
> > That statement doesn't even begin to lead an editor to the answer of why
> the
> > instrumental attribute shouldn't be used to relate a karaoke recording to
> a
> > work.  The part after the comma needs to be clarified - Why is a
> guideline
> > about Work-Recording relationships telling you to see/use a guideline
> about
> > Recording-Recording relationships instead?
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Calvin Walton <calvin.walton at kepstin.ca
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 17:17 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Calvin Walton <
> calvin.walton at kepstin.ca>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 10:12 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
> >> > >> The proposal:
> >> > >>
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute
> >> > >
> >> > > “instrumental”
> >> > >        This indicates that the recording is of an instrumental
> >> > >        arrangement of a work which originally included vocals.
> >> > >
> >> > > Hopefully, the mention that it would have to be a new arrangement
> >> > > should
> >> > > be enough to clarify things. (It also clarifies the case of a
> >> > > performance of a work which was originally instrumental, which was a
> >> > > little ambiguous previously.)
> >> >
> >> > heh. Hip hop songs are normally recorded as two tracks, the
> >> > instrumental (beat) and the vocal, which are later mixed. So their
> >> > instrumental versions are not new arrangements: they're just one of
> >> > the two tracks without the other…
> >>
> >> Huh. This is actually surprisingly similar to modern pop song karaoke
> >> versions, just with a different emphasis. Most modern karaoke tracks are
> >> made during mixing by simply not including the lead vocal track, leaving
> >> behind only the backing instrumental portion. Instead of a composition
> >> of a backing beat + vocals like the hip hop songs, it’s more of a
> >> decomposition of a complete song into the backing (and sometimes, but
> >> rarely) vocal tracks.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Calvin Walton <calvin.walton at kepstin.ca>
> >>
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