[mb-style] RFC-327: Featured Artists

[SwissChris]

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Andii Hughes <gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org>wrote:

> On 18 July 2011 10:33, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andii Hughes <
> gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18 July 2011 10:19, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > There seem to be several unresolved questions here we should try to
> >> > address
> >> > separately:
> >> >
> >> > 1. How does "as on cover" (on track/release level) ideally translate
> >> > into
> >> > NGS structures?
> >> > For an album by artist Foo with a track Quux featuring artist Bar:
> >> > A) [track] Quux (feat. Bar) [Artist Credit] Foo (as we had pre-NGS) or
> >> > B) [track] Quux [Artist Credit] Foo feat. Bar (using the NGS multiple
> >> > artist
> >> > feature, with the link phrase exactly "as on cover") ?
> >>
> >> Either or neither may be as on the cover, because we don't know what's
> >> on the cover.
> >>
> >> > 2. How should the featured artists ideally be treated on the
> >> > (normalized)
> >> > recording level?
> >> > Assuming there is consensus that "feat."-information should not be
> part
> >> > of
> >> > the title field at recording level:
> >> > A) [Artist Credit] Foo & Bar (as by default)
> >> > B) [Artist Credit] Foo feat. Bar (assuming "feat." has a specific
> >> > different
> >> > meaning, not to be normalized to "&")
> >>
> >> The second is correct.  The first is a collaboration, not a featured
> >> artist.
> >>
> >> > 3. Do we want/need a delay on application of (part of) these ideal
> >> > rules,
> >> > once agreed upon, because of the ws/1 issue?
> >>
> >> It seems I'm alone in wanting track list changes delayed, even though
> >> there
> >> is still very little NGS support.
> >>
> >> > 4. Do any or all of the above rules apply only to the exact wording
> >> > "feat."
> >> > (or featuring, features) or would it also affect (how?) other link
> terms
> >> > (in
> >> > other languages) like "with", "en duo avec", "con"
> >>
> >> We should normalise to feat. where appropriate at recording level.
> >>
> >> > The guideline should IMO reflect the "ideal" regulations, with a
> warning
> >> > box
> >> > for not yet to be used features because of ws/1 compatibility issues,
> >> > which
> >> > could be removed (without further debate) when it's no longer used.
> >>
> >> That sounds sensible, but I'm not sure if it wouldn't be too confusing.
> >> I also have no idea what's wanted as track level; just 'follow the
> cover'?
> >
> > Well, this is exactly my first point:
> > If the cover spells a track as "Quux (feat. Bar)" should "follow the
> cover"
> > be:
> > A) [track] Quux (feat. Bar) [Artist Credit] Foo (as we had pre-NGS) or
> > B) [track] Quux [Artist Credit] Foo feat. Bar (using the NGS multiple
> artist
> > feature, with the link phrase exactly "as on cover") ?
>
> As I said above, it depends what the cover says!
>
> It may say a, it may say b or it may say something else, C.
>

That's not an answer!

When cover says "Track (feat. Artist)" should this ("follow the cover")
translate into
 "Track (feat. artist)" (on track field) [by] "Main Artist" (on AC field)
or (as I think is the only reasonable way) as
  "Track" (on track field) [by] "Main Artist feat. featured artist" (on AC
field).

I don't think we're coming to anything productive without answering this
question first!

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> >> >
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