[mb-style] RFC-327: Featured Artists

Andii Hughes gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org
Mon Jul 18 10:12:09 UTC 2011


On 18 July 2011 11:07, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Andii Hughes <gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 18 July 2011 10:33, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andii Hughes
>> > <gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 18 July 2011 10:19, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > There seem to be several unresolved questions here we should try to
>> >> > address
>> >> > separately:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. How does "as on cover" (on track/release level) ideally translate
>> >> > into
>> >> > NGS structures?
>> >> > For an album by artist Foo with a track Quux featuring artist Bar:
>> >> > A) [track] Quux (feat. Bar) [Artist Credit] Foo (as we had pre-NGS)
>> >> > or
>> >> > B) [track] Quux [Artist Credit] Foo feat. Bar (using the NGS multiple
>> >> > artist
>> >> > feature, with the link phrase exactly "as on cover") ?
>> >>
>> >> Either or neither may be as on the cover, because we don't know what's
>> >> on the cover.
>> >>
>> >> > 2. How should the featured artists ideally be treated on the
>> >> > (normalized)
>> >> > recording level?
>> >> > Assuming there is consensus that "feat."-information should not be
>> >> > part
>> >> > of
>> >> > the title field at recording level:
>> >> > A) [Artist Credit] Foo & Bar (as by default)
>> >> > B) [Artist Credit] Foo feat. Bar (assuming "feat." has a specific
>> >> > different
>> >> > meaning, not to be normalized to "&")
>> >>
>> >> The second is correct.  The first is a collaboration, not a featured
>> >> artist.
>> >>
>> >> > 3. Do we want/need a delay on application of (part of) these ideal
>> >> > rules,
>> >> > once agreed upon, because of the ws/1 issue?
>> >>
>> >> It seems I'm alone in wanting track list changes delayed, even though
>> >> there
>> >> is still very little NGS support.
>> >>
>> >> > 4. Do any or all of the above rules apply only to the exact wording
>> >> > "feat."
>> >> > (or featuring, features) or would it also affect (how?) other link
>> >> > terms
>> >> > (in
>> >> > other languages) like "with", "en duo avec", "con"
>> >>
>> >> We should normalise to feat. where appropriate at recording level.
>> >>
>> >> > The guideline should IMO reflect the "ideal" regulations, with a
>> >> > warning
>> >> > box
>> >> > for not yet to be used features because of ws/1 compatibility issues,
>> >> > which
>> >> > could be removed (without further debate) when it's no longer used.
>> >>
>> >> That sounds sensible, but I'm not sure if it wouldn't be too confusing.
>> >> I also have no idea what's wanted as track level; just 'follow the
>> >> cover'?
>> >
>> > Well, this is exactly my first point:
>> > If the cover spells a track as "Quux (feat. Bar)" should "follow the
>> > cover"
>> > be:
>> > A) [track] Quux (feat. Bar) [Artist Credit] Foo (as we had pre-NGS) or
>> > B) [track] Quux [Artist Credit] Foo feat. Bar (using the NGS multiple
>> > artist
>> > feature, with the link phrase exactly "as on cover") ?
>>
>> As I said above, it depends what the cover says!
>>
>> It may say a, it may say b or it may say something else, C.
>
> That's not an answer!
> When cover says "Track (feat. Artist)" should this ("follow the cover")
> translate into
>  "Track (feat. artist)" (on track field) [by] "Main Artist" (on AC field)
> or (as I think is the only reasonable way) as
>   "Track" (on track field) [by] "Main Artist feat. featured artist" (on AC
> field).
> I don't think we're coming to anything productive without answering this
> question first!

I have; if you're 'following the cover' you don't do any translation.
You put what's on the cover!

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