[mb-style] Later version vs. Derivative work

Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosarevok at gmail.com
Mon Jul 25 20:47:39 UTC 2011


On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:37 PM, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just said that the guideline states "This links two
> different recordings of the same song by the same artist". If this in fact
> links works instead of recordings we should report this as a bug and not
> start a new (and needed :-) "derivative work" relationship based on this one
> ;-)

That's what I was trying to get feedback on: whether "derivative work"
would be enough to use for all cases or we needed to keep "version"
too. It seems the consensus is keeping both, so I'll work on that :)

> 2011/7/25 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <reosarevok at gmail.com>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:59 PM, SwissChris <swisschris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > We shouldn't mix up things that have nothing to do with each other: the
>> > guideline
>> > here http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Other_Version_Relationship_Type
>> > under NGS is clearly a recording-recording relationship ("This links two
>> > different recordings of the same song by the same artist", linking two
>> > different versions of the same Work. It may be misplaced and quite
>> > poorly
>> > updated (with the "earliest version" concept being deprecated), but it
>> > may
>> > be useful in some cases.
>>
>> No, it's not. That's the issue I'm talking about. This is actually,
>> and un-documentedly, a work-work relationship. See
>>
>> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/relationship/create?type0=work&type1=work&entity0=345b47e1-4223-3e00-9979-2bfe093f0783&entity1=a4bd9cee-7578-3a7c-987f-42c5ae765805&returnto=http%3A%2F%2Fmusicbrainz.org%2Fwork%2F345b47e1-4223-3e00-9979-2bfe093f0783%23relate_to
>> and select the "version" rel and follow the Details link. It might
>> also be just a wrong link, but I don't think it is.
>>
>> > The "derivative work" is a completely different thing which should be
>> > treated and discussed as a work-work relationship (linking two different
>> > works) and not be mixed with this AR here.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria
>> > <davitofrg at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2011/7/25, symphonick <symphonick at gmail.com>:
>> >> > On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:10:31 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria
>> >> > <davitofrg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Maybe there are two "derivative works". I'd say there is a general
>> >> >> abstract (in the OOP sense of the word) derivative work which would
>> >> >> include anything which is different from the original work. And an
>> >> >> actual (instanciated :-) ) derivative work. I believe these are
>> >> >> completely different. When I hear "derivative work", I understand
>> >> >> something which is quite different from the original, something
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> precisely would be too different from the original to be named
>> >> >> "other
>> >> >> version". Your Variations are a perfect example of this. I would
>> >> >> call
>> >> >> a transcription for piano of a violin concerto an "other version",
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> a "derivative work".
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > +1
>> >>
>> >> Please forget my references to OOP, they were wrong, "abstract" and
>> >> "instanciated" are but remotely related to what I am trying to say :-P
>> >> It seems symphonick managed to get my meaning nonetheless :-)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Frederic Da Vitoria
>> >> (davitof)
>> >>
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