[mb-users] Re: Open Letter to the MusicBrainz Community

[joan WHITTAKER]

At midday today, I said that I had received 91 messages in my inbox 
regarding this matter.  It is now 108 and we are still going over the same 
old things.

Don sums it up, as did I earlier today, by saying that this is not the time 
to go over past debates or try to apportion blame.

If we carry on down the road of trying to put the blame on everybody else 
but ourself, and we are probably all equally guilty of escalating this, then 
the only outcome will be that Musicbrainz will cease to exist.

Do we really want that?

Joan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joan WHITTAKER" <joan at whittaker1966.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "General discussions about MusicBrainz" 
<musicbrainz-users at lists.musicbrainz.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [mb-users] Re: Open Letter to the MusicBrainz Community


>I agree with Kilu.  At this point in time it doesn't really matter who said 
>what to whom and what they replied.  All that has been said and done and 
>repeating it ad infinitum is not going to change it.
>
> The discussion which Robert proposes for tomorrow evening must not dwell 
> on the past, otherwise we are going to have another round of "he said/she 
> said" and instead of moving forward we are going to be going around in 
> circles.
>
> Personally, I should like the discussion to start with Robert or whoever 
> is moderating stating a brief uninterrupted history of what has brought us 
> to the position we are now in, ask for an agreement to put all these 
> differences behind us (which includes Stefan retaining his privileges and 
> Fuchs agreeing not to leave), and then ask for suggestions and ideas as to 
> how we move the project forward without repeating the mistakes of the 
> past.
>
> Maybe this is too simplistic, but over the past few days I have received 
> 91 messages in my inbox and I would hate to see all these repeated on IRC. 
> The points for and against have already been argued on the mailing list, 
> and I really don't think IRC is the place to bring them all up again.
>
> LET'S MOVE FORWARD - DON'T LOOK BACK.
>
> Joan
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mika Heiska" <kilualmighty at gmail.com>
> To: "General discussions about MusicBrainz" 
> <musicbrainz-users at lists.musicbrainz.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [mb-users] Re: Open Letter to the MusicBrainz Community
>
>
>> Stefan Kestenholz wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll quote some portions of yesterday evenings chatlog:
>>>
>>> ----
>>> 22:56:10 [keschte] for steve, it was like: just fix the ticket the way i
>>> want it, then we do not have to argue. 22:56:24 [nikki] I didn't agree 
>>> with him there 22:56:24 [keschte] this is not acceptable.
>>
>> And for you, it's like: there is nothing broken, drop it already, we 
>> don't have to argue.
>>
>>
>> I'll quote something I sent to Stefan in private mail few weeks ago:
>> "In short, you didn't want to admit that there might be a better way to 
>> do something, you _had_ to be right. Everyone else didn't want to admit 
>> that you might be right and they might be wrong. Everyone is at fault."
>>
>>
>> I see that as the simplest way to put it. Everyone who argued against 
>> Stefan talked about talking to a wall. I, however, see two walls.
>>
>>
>> And as a final note, I will personally hunt down the next person who 
>> tries to shift the blame from one side to another. Just stop it already, 
>> haven't you guys been doing this bickering enough as it is? Go see a 
>> couple therapist, it just might help.
>>
>> ~Kilu
>>
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