[mb-users] Amazon ASIN url's

[Joan Whittaker]

I also would opt for the final version - we cannot impose tasks such as editing Amazon URL's on editors who give freely of their time to update this database.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frederic Da Vitoria 
  To: General discussions about MusicBrainz 
  Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [mb-users] Amazon ASIN url's


  About "No" voting, I agree. In the current state of rules, once the session info is removed from the url, I would never vote no on an ASIN if it works.

  But the question was: "Should we change the rules?" 

  I think we can not require users to edit the URLs to the gp.product format. I usually do it, but I guess this would be too much work for many users.

  - Should we recommend (but explicitely state it is not mandatory) editing to gp.product, 
  - should we recommend using the new URLs, 
  - or should we avoid recommending anything (in which case, I suggest we explicitely say both ways are equally valid)?

  I would choose choose the last option. 


  2006/10/8, Joan Whittaker <joan at whittaker1966.fsnet.co.uk>:
    When I first came to mb, I entered quite a few ASIN's, such as this
    http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=4217687
    only to be told by an automod that it was incorrect. 

    What was incorrect about it.  Nothing it transpired.  I had chosen as my
    local Amazon store the UK one, but because the example shown at that time
    (before the changes) said it should be

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/<ASIN>

    the automod failed my edits.

    This was an example of something being taken far too literally and I think
    we are in danger of becoming blinkered in exactly the same way. 

    Joan


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "mud crow" <akamudcrow at msn.com>
    To: <musicbrainz-users at lists.musicbrainz.org >
    Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:18 AM
    Subject: RE: [mb-users] Amazon ASIN url's


    >
    > I think it's unacceptable behaviour to be voting down valid edits because
    of
    > something the editor has no control over. That's a good way to scare off 
    new
    > editors from musicbrainz.
    > You can't expect an editor to pick apart all these weird amazon urls and
    > only enter the valid parts.
    >
    > This is something that needs to worked out by devs & the style council, 
    not
    > by people on a voting crusade to no-vote every edit,
    >
    > Mud
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >From: "Lauri Watts" <krazykiwi at gmail.com >
    > >Reply-To: General discussions about
    > >MusicBrainz<musicbrainz-users at lists.musicbrainz.org>
    > >To: "General discussions about 
    > >MusicBrainz"<musicbrainz-users at lists.musicbrainz.org>
    > >Subject: [mb-users] Amazon ASIN url's
    > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:02:22 +0200 
    > >
    > >Hi,
    > >
    > >There is a small argument going on about Amazon URL's, after the
    > >change Amazon recently made, the wiki was not yet adjusted to
    > >accomodate: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AmazonRelationshipType
    > >
    > >For those not up to speed, Amazon recently changed their URL's from
    > >the format http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ <ASIN> or
    > >http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/<ASIN> to include an abridged version
    > >of the product title in the url.  The original url's do work, and we 
    > >have no reason to expect they won't continue to.
    > >
    > >It's also noted very clearly, and in bold, that the user should not
    > >edit a url, just copy and paste it.
    > >
    > >Since people are now beginning to vote no to edits using the new 
    > >format, this needs to be fixed, one way or another.
    > >
    > >We need to decide:
    > >
    > >1:  Is it ok to add the URL's with the title information in, in which
    > >case the wiki needs changing to reflect that this is ok, or 
    > >
    > >2: is it ok to edit the url, in which case the wiki needs changing and
    > >very clear and explicit instructions how to perform this need to be
    > >added.
    > >
    > >Example of contentious edit going on right now: 
    > >http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5729275
    > >
    > >The simplest way from an end user's point of view would be to have the
    > >javascript parser break up the pasted url, any format, and
    > >reconstitute a corrected URL (it'd be fairly simple to grab just the
    > >ASIN and the domain out of there).  Given our dearth of developers, 
    > >that's probably not going to happen in a hurry.
    > >
    > >I will also note that the wiki doesn't explicitly say that these url's
    > >are unacceptable and there's been hundreds of them entered in the past 
    > >couple of months.
    > >
    > >Regards,
    > >--
    > >Lauri Watts



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  Frederic Da Vitoria 


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