[mb-users] Bootleg DiscIDs

[Chris Bransden]

On 20/10/06, Aaron Cooper <cooperaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/20/06, Chris Bransden <chris at whenironsattack.com> wrote:
> > On 19/10/06, Kerensky97 <kerensky97 at xterra101.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's just a problem of how we use the term here at MusicBrainz, the exact
> > > dictionary definition of bootleg is illegal copy or recording and that's how
> > > I saw all bootlegs before I came here.  Now I notice that there are a few
> > > legal "bootlegs" and MB still refers to them as bootlegs.  Before I came
> > > here I would have thought of those legal bootlegs as promotional releases,
> > > rare releases, fan-club releases, or radio releases; now that I've been
> > > influenced by MB I tend to group them all as bootlegs.  So I can defitanely
> > > understand why people can confuse what the MB bootlegs mean.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should chalk it up as BadTerminology and make an update our wiki
> > > description of Bootleg to say that it encompasses both illegal bootlegs and
> > > legally sanctioned bootlegs [b]regardless[/b] of what the dictionary or
> > > outside world defines bootleg as.  As it currently stands the MB wiki still
> > > doesn't point out that bootlegs here can include legal releases, further
> > > adding confusion.
> > >
> > > -Dustin (Kerensky97)
> >
> > so all "live official" releases become "live bootleg"? it's always
> > been legal = official (or promo), illegal = bootleg. i can't think of
> > any exceptions - can anyone give any?
> >
> > ps if a 'bootleg' is later properly released (eg
> > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-Maxs-Kansas-City-Remastered/dp/B0002BK9GW
> > ), then it becomes official. it is only a bootleg when it doesn't have
> > the proper legal backing.
> >
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> Just some food for thought... or discussion:
>
> Metallica designated an area at their concerts for bootleggers to
> record the concert to achieve better recordings... does that make
> those bootlegs illegal... if the band says "please, record" does that
> make them official live releases?

they are bootlegs. metallica can put out their own material (if they
own the (c), they might not i don't know), or they can have a label do
it for them. letting people record music is not the same as giving
them (c) permission to distribute this material (even if they, and
their label, might not neccesarily care if people do).

(unless they have some kind of fair use agreement but i'm not sure about those)