[mb-users] v23 sorting frames used in Picard Qt

[Paul Taylor]

Chris B wrote:
> On 27/06/07, Aaron Cooper <cooperaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6/27/07, Chris B <chris at whenironsattack.com> wrote:
>> > On 27/06/07, Paul Taylor <paul_t100 at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> > > Are the XSOT,XSOP and XSOA sorting frames created by Picard Qt 
>> for ID3
>> > > v2.3 tags created and used by any other applications, or just
>> > > MusicBrainz ? I ask because iTunes uses the v24 frames (TSOT/TSOP 
>> and
>> > > TSOA) in v23 tags as well and also has corresponding TST,TSP and TSA
>> > > frames for IDv2.2.
>> >
>> > slightly off topic,  but are these anything to do with the recent-ish
>> > change to artist listings in my ipod (and presumably itunes as well),
>> > where artists names are sorted by surname now? eg, 'Johnny Thunders'
>> > appears under both J and T in the alphabetical artist list.
>> >
>> > it's most strange, because i've no idea how it knows the difference
>> > between people and conceptual names. eg, it doesn't sort every 2 word
>> > phrase in the same manner, just the 'first name surname' names.
>>
>> This isn't happening for me yet :(  Were your files purchased from
>> iTunes and had the sort tags before the MB tags were added/updated?
>
> they were CDs i'd ripped, but i've just tried it with a compilation i
> was ripping today and it didn't work, so i think it's only for CDs
> that happen to have the sorting data retrieved (presumably when it
> retrieves the CD titles) from apple or whoever. it definitely didn't
> import the sorting data from MBz because i check the artist in
> question ('alexander tucker') and he had a sort name on MBz, but it
> didn't appear in the tag (hence i guess the original poster's request)
>
My point was that if these sort fields are only used by Picard QT, they 
are  of limited use because your not going to use Picard Qt as your 
regular music player. If the iTunes tags were adopted
then they would be a lot more use. The problem doesnt exist in v24 but I 
think v23 is the defacto standard because of its comptability over a 
wider range of applications.
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