[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Fred Marchee]

Hi to all,

A while ago I changed the sortingorder of the Dutch comedian Freek de 
Jonge from "Jonge, de, Freek" to "Jonge, Freek de". This change led to a 
reaction of editor drsaunde that this sortingorder was already discussed 
before and that "Jonge, de, Freek" was in fact correct.

There is a discussion on "tussenvoegsels" (there is no translation for 
this term) on the mbwiki but probably  there wasn't a Dutch guy reading 
this discussion. (see: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyleDiscussion)

The problem is that the proposed (and accepted) sortingorder is wrong 
and certainly not common in the Dutch language. (Although Belgian is 
like Dutch but not exactly the same this is only about Dutch names!).

In Holland we sort names like: Last name, First name tussenvoegsel

So: Armin van Buuren is sorted as: Buuren, Armin van (and not Buuren, 
van, Armin)

As an example a part of the Dutch phonebook:

http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/leiden/buuren.html

There are a lot of tussenvoegsels used in Dutch name the most common are:

de, van, het, van de, van het, van 't but they all have in common that 
they are sortingwise the least interesting part of a name.

So an "official proposal":

Please let the sortingorder of Dutch names with a tussenvoegsel be: Last 
name, First name tussenvoegsel.

Thanks,

Fred (without a "tussenvoegsel" in his lastname ;-) )