[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Alan Pepelko]

I had a conversation with
drsaunde<http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=224057>about
tussenvoegsels here:
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8038574

2008/4/18, Fred Marchee <fred at intercookie.com>:
>
> Hi to all,
>
> A while ago I changed the sortingorder of the Dutch comedian Freek de
> Jonge from "Jonge, de, Freek" to "Jonge, Freek de". This change led to a
> reaction of editor drsaunde that this sortingorder was already discussed
> before and that "Jonge, de, Freek" was in fact correct.
>
> There is a discussion on "tussenvoegsels" (there is no translation for
> this term) on the mbwiki but probably  there wasn't a Dutch guy reading
> this discussion. (see: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyleDiscussion
> )
>
> The problem is that the proposed (and accepted) sortingorder is wrong
> and certainly not common in the Dutch language. (Although Belgian is
> like Dutch but not exactly the same this is only about Dutch names!).
>
> In Holland we sort names like: Last name, First name tussenvoegsel
>
> So: Armin van Buuren is sorted as: Buuren, Armin van (and not Buuren,
> van, Armin)
>
> As an example a part of the Dutch phonebook:
>
> http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/leiden/buuren.html
>
> There are a lot of tussenvoegsels used in Dutch name the most common are:
>
> de, van, het, van de, van het, van 't but they all have in common that
> they are sortingwise the least interesting part of a name.
>
> So an "official proposal":
>
> Please let the sortingorder of Dutch names with a tussenvoegsel be: Last
> name, First name tussenvoegsel.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred (without a "tussenvoegsel" in his lastname ;-) )
>
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