[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Fred Marchee]

Thanks for the link ;-)

Alan Pepelko schreef:
> I had a conversation with drsaunde 
> <http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=224057> about tussenvoegsels 
> here: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8038574
>
> 2008/4/18, Fred Marchee <fred at intercookie.com 
> <mailto:fred at intercookie.com>>:
>
>     Hi to all,
>
>     A while ago I changed the sortingorder of the Dutch comedian Freek de
>     Jonge from "Jonge, de, Freek" to "Jonge, Freek de". This change
>     led to a
>     reaction of editor drsaunde that this sortingorder was already
>     discussed
>     before and that "Jonge, de, Freek" was in fact correct.
>
>     There is a discussion on "tussenvoegsels" (there is no translation for
>     this term) on the mbwiki but probably  there wasn't a Dutch guy
>     reading
>     this discussion. (see:
>     http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyleDiscussion)
>
>     The problem is that the proposed (and accepted) sortingorder is wrong
>     and certainly not common in the Dutch language. (Although Belgian is
>     like Dutch but not exactly the same this is only about Dutch names!).
>
>     In Holland we sort names like: Last name, First name tussenvoegsel
>
>     So: Armin van Buuren is sorted as: Buuren, Armin van (and not Buuren,
>     van, Armin)
>
>     As an example a part of the Dutch phonebook:
>
>     http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/leiden/buuren.html
>
>     There are a lot of tussenvoegsels used in Dutch name the most
>     common are:
>
>     de, van, het, van de, van het, van 't but they all have in common that
>     they are sortingwise the least interesting part of a name.
>
>     So an "official proposal":
>
>     Please let the sortingorder of Dutch names with a tussenvoegsel
>     be: Last
>     name, First name tussenvoegsel.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Fred (without a "tussenvoegsel" in his lastname ;-) )
>
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