[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Kuno Woudt]

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 07:18:42PM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
> 
> The last manner is, in the Netherlands, the right way to sort names. 
> Van, van der and so on are in fact not important for the sorting order 
> but usually in order of importancy it is
> 
> 1 Last name
> 2 First name
> 3 tussenvoegsel

I disagree, to have family-members sorted together, the order needs to
be (last name, tussenvoegsel, first name), so I think the current
guideline is correct.

But let's see how other database do it....


When testing the two phonebooks:

KPN) http://www.detelefoongids.nl/tg/sk-sneek/bruin/1/
GG)  http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/sneek/bruin.html

KPN sorts on lastname, firstname, tussenvoegsel
GG  sorts on lastname, tussenvoegsel, firstname


According to a friend who does or did a fair amount of genealogy research
in the netherlands, records in the civil registry or sorted on 'Last name, 
tussenvoegsel' when you look for them in the digital indexes of an
archive.

For example, try the following civil registry search with Genlias,
http://www.genlias.nl/nl/search.jsp :

Familienaam:  Bruin
Plaats:       Sneek
Periode:      1941 t/m 1943

You should get three results, sorted like this:

Bruin,   , Wytze
Bruin, de, Hendrikus
Bruin, de, Hein

(actually, genlias is a bit weird, it sorts on the column you selected
 for sorting and the remaining order seems a bit arbitrary.  It always
 groups on place if you've selected multiple places.  Still, the 
 tussenvoegsel is used for sorting the family names).


Conclusion:  computer systems used in the netherlands are not 
consistent ;)

-- kuno / warp.