[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Fred Marchee]

Kuno Woudt schreef:
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:32:42AM +0200, Kees Bakker wrote:
>   
>> Op 19 apr 2008, om 03:19 heeft Sander van Zoest het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>     
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:38:36PM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi to all,
>>>> ...
>>>> As an example a part of the Dutch phonebook:
>>>>
>>>> http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/leiden/buuren.html
>>>>         
>
> Looks like that site does sort on 'lastname, insert, firstname':
>
> http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/amsterdam/Hulst.html
>
> Interesting to note is that it doesn't make a distinction between
> 'van' and 'vd' when sorting.  (vd or v/d is short for either 'van de', 
> 'van der' or 'van den').
>
>   
>> Sorting order 1:
>> Soest,  , Bart
>> Soest,  , Jan
>> Soest, van , Anton
>> Soest, van , Kees
>> Soest, van de, Dirk
>> Soest, van der, Cor
>>
>> Sorting order 2:
>> Soest, Anton van
>> Soest, Bart
>> Soest, Cor van der
>> Soest, Dirk van de
>> Soest, Jan
>> Soest, Kees van
>>     
>
> I too prefer method 1, the order we have now.
>
> -- kuno / warp.
>
>   
It looks like in Dutch the "tussenvoegsel" isn't important in sorting, 
it's least important. And as I wrote in another mail, I have never seen 
in real live, the sorting order with the two comma's. And also in the 
"offical" KPN (KPN was Holland's first telephone provider) phonebook a 
sorting order like Last name, First name tussenvoegsel is used.

Usually a strange thing like a tussenvoegsel isn't understand in English 
speaking countries and it is/was common to change a name to Vanzoest 
instead of keeping the Sander van Zoest (remember Van Halen? or make it 
a double name Armand Van Helden was once Armand van Helden)


Nice language, Dutch

Fred.