[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Fred Marchee]

Kuno Woudt schreef:
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 07:18:42PM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
>   
>> The last manner is, in the Netherlands, the right way to sort names. 
>> Van, van der and so on are in fact not important for the sorting order 
>> but usually in order of importancy it is
>>
>> 1 Last name
>> 2 First name
>> 3 tussenvoegsel
>>     
>
> I disagree, to have family-members sorted together, the order needs to
> be (last name, tussenvoegsel, first name), so I think the current
> guideline is correct.
>
> But let's see how other database do it....
>
>
> When testing the two phonebooks:
>
> KPN) http://www.detelefoongids.nl/tg/sk-sneek/bruin/1/
> GG)  http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/sneek/bruin.html
>
> KPN sorts on lastname, firstname, tussenvoegsel
> GG  sorts on lastname, tussenvoegsel, firstname
>
>
> According to a friend who does or did a fair amount of genealogy research
> in the netherlands, records in the civil registry or sorted on 'Last name, 
> tussenvoegsel' when you look for them in the digital indexes of an
> archive.
>
> For example, try the following civil registry search with Genlias,
> http://www.genlias.nl/nl/search.jsp :
>
> Familienaam:  Bruin
> Plaats:       Sneek
> Periode:      1941 t/m 1943
>
> You should get three results, sorted like this:
>
> Bruin,   , Wytze
> Bruin, de, Hendrikus
> Bruin, de, Hein
>
> (actually, genlias is a bit weird, it sorts on the column you selected
>  for sorting and the remaining order seems a bit arbitrary.  It always
>  groups on place if you've selected multiple places.  Still, the 
>  tussenvoegsel is used for sorting the family names).
>
>
> Conclusion:  computer systems used in the netherlands are not 
> consistent ;)
>
> -- kuno / warp.
>
>
>
>   

Kuno Woudt schreef:
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 07:18:42PM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
>  
>> The last manner is, in the Netherlands, the right way to sort names. 
>> Van, van der and so on are in fact not important for the sorting 
>> order but usually in order of importancy it is
>>
>> 1 Last name
>> 2 First name
>> 3 tussenvoegsel
>>     
>
> I disagree, to have family-members sorted together, the order needs to
> be (last name, tussenvoegsel, first name), so I think the current
> guideline is correct.
>
> But let's see how other database do it....
>
>
> When testing the two phonebooks:
>
> KPN) http://www.detelefoongids.nl/tg/sk-sneek/bruin/1/
> GG)  http://nationaletelefoongids.goudengids.nl/search/sneek/bruin.html
>
> KPN sorts on lastname, firstname, tussenvoegsel
> GG  sorts on lastname, tussenvoegsel, firstname
>
>
> According to a friend who does or did a fair amount of genealogy research
> in the netherlands, records in the civil registry or sorted on 'Last 
> name, tussenvoegsel' when you look for them in the digital indexes of an
> archive.
>
> For example, try the following civil registry search with Genlias,
> http://www.genlias.nl/nl/search.jsp :
>
> Familienaam:  Bruin
> Plaats:       Sneek
> Periode:      1941 t/m 1943
>
> You should get three results, sorted like this:
>
> Bruin,   , Wytze
> Bruin, de, Hendrikus
> Bruin, de, Hein
>
> (actually, genlias is a bit weird, it sorts on the column you selected
>  for sorting and the remaining order seems a bit arbitrary.  It always
>  groups on place if you've selected multiple places.  Still, the 
>  tussenvoegsel is used for sorting the family names).
>
>
> Conclusion:  computer systems used in the netherlands are not 
> consistent ;)
>
> -- kuno / warp.
>   
AAAAHHHHHH, we're only human, I need to find an old dutch shiplog with 
the members of the crew written down in alphabetical order. (between 
this and the next sentence is half an hour searching time on the internet.)

I found a website of the Meertens Instituut, guys that are specialized 
in the Dutch language, Dutch names and stuf like that. Take a look at 
the people working there and how they are sorted. They should know how 
to do it ;-)

http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=41&Itemid=76 


They write their names as Last, First tussenvoegsel.

Fred.