[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Sander van Zoest]

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:16:18PM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
> For English guys, DBNL is a website about dutch literature (the guys 
> with the gray hair and thick glasses complaining about sorting order 
> ;-)) and Kees gives an example of how the names are sorted. As I stated 
> before, in Holland the tussenvoegsel is redundant and is only used as a 
> last order to sort names. You can also see that the system is not always 
> consistent by the way, Paul van Geest is first and then P.J.F. de Geest 
> but on the other hand W. de Geest is placed for Wibrandus van Geest. 
> Dutch is sometimes a compilcated language.

In that example it is not used at all in sort names. It isn't even last order.
> 
> By the way, I am not complaining about the sortingorder, I am 
> complaining about the way it is written.

So, then if you are only complaining about the way it is displayed, and not
sorting, then the subject of this thread is totally off. And you should be
advocating the creation of a Nobiliary Particle field that can be used to
display the name in lists as you request.

> I have never seen Dutch names written as Jonge, de, Freek this is a 
> typical "computer" way to list things (and even in the wrong order). We 
> are are human and I think computers need to learn "human" and we human 
> don't need to learn "computer"

The above is used to ensure the right sorting order and has nothing to do
with how it should be displayed. This is percisely why it is a separate
field. :)
  
-- Sander