[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Fred Marchee]

Sander van Zoest schreef:
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:16:18PM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
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>> For English guys, DBNL is a website about dutch literature (the guys 
>> with the gray hair and thick glasses complaining about sorting order 
>> ;-)) and Kees gives an example of how the names are sorted. As I stated 
>> before, in Holland the tussenvoegsel is redundant and is only used as a 
>> last order to sort names. You can also see that the system is not always 
>> consistent by the way, Paul van Geest is first and then P.J.F. de Geest 
>> but on the other hand W. de Geest is placed for Wibrandus van Geest. 
>> Dutch is sometimes a compilcated language.
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> In that example it is not used at all in sort names. It isn't even last order.
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>> By the way, I am not complaining about the sortingorder, I am 
>> complaining about the way it is written.
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> So, then if you are only complaining about the way it is displayed, and not
> sorting, then the subject of this thread is totally off. And you should be
> advocating the creation of a Nobiliary Particle field that can be used to
> display the name in lists as you request.
>
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>> I have never seen Dutch names written as Jonge, de, Freek this is a 
>> typical "computer" way to list things (and even in the wrong order). We 
>> are are human and I think computers need to learn "human" and we human 
>> don't need to learn "computer"
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> The above is used to ensure the right sorting order and has nothing to do
> with how it should be displayed. This is percisely why it is a separate
> field. :)
>   
> -- Sander
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>   
Yep, the only problem (old man moaning and getting older) is that the 
"van" is getting a heavier weight than the first name and that wasn't a 
problem before lazy computer sorting. This problem (my problem) is 
getting a little bit combined with the problem that younger guys start 
sorting a name like "de Vries" under "D" instead of "V".