[mb-users] Sortingorder Dutch tussenvoegsel

[Sander van Zoest]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:52:40AM +0200, Fred Marchee wrote:
> > Perhaps it is also better to put a text in the wiki (that's where it 
> > all started) that: "Last name, tussenvoegsel, First name" leads to the 
> > same result as "Last name, First name tussenvoegsel" and that we have 
> > to do with a sortingmachine working this out the right way. It helps 
> > against stupid guys like me ;-)

I think what is going on here, is that the meaning for SortName seems to
have changed or it was never understood equally. I guess that is the beauty
of the style guide in that it allows everyone to come to the same conclusion.

It is clear that the reason behind "Groot, de, Boudewijn" was not fully
understood by many, as clearly indicated by <http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyleDiscussion>. The point was to have 3 separate columns that would be sorted in that order, but it seems to be pretty clear that we are moving away from that. If the comma separated parts are never treated as different entities than it is clear that you will never be able to sort using th SortName appropriately and you are better off using it as ArtistListDisplayName or something like that.

> There are sometimes moments you really think that you are crazy. Moaning 
> about the way the sortorder is written is one thing, accepting the fact 
> that computers are crazy and writing a confession that you have accepted 
> the way a sortname is written is another thing.
> 
> But when I started correcting wrongly entered sortnames in a way the 
> computer likes them I discovered that the sort order thingy is SPEAKING 
> HUMAN!!!!

I think this is because plenty of folks had the same confusion you did and
did not understand the reasoning behind using the other method.

-- Sander