[mb-users] "The need for free and open music metadata", but MB not good enough

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Per Øyvind Øygard-2 wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:38:09 +0200, Jim DeLaHunt <from.nabble at jdlh.com>  
> wrote:
> 
>> It seems it would be an improvement if edits by reasonably trusted
>> contributers were accepted by default while the vote goes forward. If  
>> others determine the edit to be bad, then it gets reversed.
> 
> In the context of rewarding users this doesn't make a lot of sense since  
> it's not experienced moderators/voters who need incentive, but the other  
> way around.
> 

I guess I should be more clear.  By "reasonably trusted contributers" I mean
someone who has registered a user ID and has made a small number of
contributions which then got voted in.  Thus they have proven that they
didn't come here just to vandalise. I don't mean contributors with as high a
status as automod (I consider them "highly trusted contributors").

I think I am in this category of reasonably, but not highly, trusted
contributor. I would guess you are too.  

Personally, I find the two-week delay demotivating. I do a lot of work to
improve an entry because I'm about to tag music files for that release, and
I can't easily see the results of my MB contribution in my music files. I
have to come back two weeks later and refresh.


Per Øyvind Øygard-2 wrote:
> 
> You should also keep in mind that [voting delay is] a major deterrent  
> for vandalism. On wikipedia it's not such a big problem since you can  
> immediately revert, but not so on MB, either you wait for an automod to  
> come by or you risk having your albums tagged with "THIS ALBUM SUCKS!!11"  
> as title until the vote is inevitably voted down a week later.
> 

We need to preserve a vandalism countermeasure, agreed. But if we were to
reflect changes immediately we could still have countermeasures. For
instance, we could say that a change by a reasonably trusted contributer is
applied at once but still held open for a confirmation vote, and a single No
vote is enough to reverse the change while the vote completes. Thus any
contributor could reverse the "THIS ALBUM SUCKS!!11" vandalism immediately,
it needn't require an automod. This would move our balance point between
responsiveness and security closer to responsiveness, at a cost proportional
to how many edits are approved with zero votes.

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